Rubble between us and site start

Thanks for everyone asking us how things are going.  Unfortunately, 12 of October has gone past and still we are yet to have site start.  Sigh.  😦

We have another hold up this time with Metricon stating there is too much building debris and rubble in our soil left over from our demolisher.  Metricon did mention this at the same time when the pipe issue came up back in May.

Only recently after the pipe issue was sorted out with the council did Metricon come back to us with some quotes to clean up the soil and provide a site scrape.  Needless to say, the quotes were not trivial amounts and we are freaking out about the additional costs.

We wish we could have got this issue sorted out weeks ago but we are where we are.  Kristen met our Site Manager, Simon, for the first time to go over the soil issue.  It was really good to meet Simon and he explained things well.  Though we haven’t started yet, meeting our Site Manager did give us a feeling we are not that far away from a start.

Now we are chasing up our demolisher, Moe and Amor from Victoria Wide Demolition Services to come back to finish off (clean soil of debris) that they should have done in the first place which is proving to be frustrating. We have been getting other quotes to get a site scrape done which have come back a lot cheaper that the quote Metricon gave us. Having said that it still grates on us big time that we may have to pay any additional money at all given we have already paid a significant amount to get the original house and site cleared in the first place. Still, tomorrow is another day.

C&K

Start and Stop

It was exciting to see some work start on our block late last week with the site scrape. Unfortunately work stopped pretty much as soon as it started and things are now on hold.  Today we met our Customer Support Manager, Nick and our two CSCs, Megan and Karen at our block to discuss a couple of the issues that have halted work.

The first issue is some significant amount of building material buried in the soil as a result of the demolition works by VicWide Demolition which we were not aware of (and are really not happy about).   The second issue is a drainage pipe that was not identified as an easement earlier but now warrants further investigation to see how close we can build to it.

Both issues are now being followed by Metricon.  We are hopeful that the problems will only mean an approximate two week delay in proceedings.

C&K

House Demolition

Here is some information regarding house demolitions and getting quotes based on our experience.

It may take a few weeks to obtain the best demolition quote to suit your needs and obtain a demolition permit, not to mention time for disconnecting the services etc.  In addition to allowing time for a demolisher to respond to your quote requests (some took 2 weeks), you should also allow some time before the demolisher starts their job as they may have jobs already planned.  But once the demolition starts, it doesn’t take long to complete it (ours took 9 days).

You may wish to ask a few additional questions when obtaining a quote, please find below a list to get you started.  This is not an exhaustive list, but should get you started.

• What’s included and what’s not in the price?
• Do they arrange Demolition Permits?
• Do they remove vegetation?
• Do they have insurance, what for? (permit approval requires the demolisher to have insurance)
• Timeframes for starting & completing the works?
• Items removed other than the house, existing drains, retaining walls, asbestos etc..?
• Front Meter and upright tap to remain
• Sewer pipes are to be removed and taken back to Sewer tie
• Gas to be terminated back to main
• Power to be terminated at power pole.
• Phone line to be placed back into Telstra pit.

We found the quotes provided varied in price greatly (+/- 40%), so make sure you get several quotes.

Before demolition can begin, you will need to apply and pay to get the gas and electricity abolished.  Make sure you request to get the services abolished and not just disconnection.  Disconnection just stops services being provided to the property whereas abolishment is the removal of the services entirely – electricity and gas meters are removed and wires are cut to the site.  You may also need to contact Telstra to disconnect the phone line.

If you have asbestos make sure your demolisher provides a asbestos clearance certificate.  Builders will not go on site if there is any asbestos contamination on the block.  Our demolisher from VicWide Demolition (aka Victoria Wide Demolition Services) finished their job but left asbestos residual on our site and we had to get an independent asbestos removalist (at additional cost) to decontaminate the site and provide an asbestos clearance certificate.  Make sure the asbestos clearance certificate is part of your quote – if there is any residual after demolition you should be able to get the demolisher back in to clean it up.

Also it took about 2 months for our demolisher to provide the relevant documentation (demolition permit and inspection certificate).  In the end it took Kristen calling daily for 2 weeks, with each day we were promised to get them the next day only to find we had to call again to follow up.  Your builder will require the demolition permit and inspection certificate when applying for the building permit.

[Update 17 Oct 2012:  Another issue we had with Victoria Wide Demolition Services is that they left a significant amount of building debris behind which required additional work and followup to clean up.  Make sure your demolisher provides a clean site and remove all old building materials as your builder will most likely require this before they perform site works.]

We completed our demolition well in advance to avoid any demolition hold ups preventing the construction starting.

The builder may order 2 site surveys and/or soil tests – once before demolition so they can start on the design and perform a preliminary siting and second after demolition so they can finalise the site costs and house design.  By completing our demolition earlier, the builder was able to finalise the contract earlier.  However, by completing the demolition earlier, it may mean you need to do some additional work to ensure the block is clear of vegetation as over time grass and weeds may grow back.

C&K

An unwanted setback today

Today we received a call from our CSC at Metricon to inform us about some asbestos found on our block when the construction manager inspected the site earlier in the week.  Metricon will not start any work unless the site is clear of asbestos – and we would not expect them to.  It seems our demolisher Amor and Moe from VicWide Demolition didn’t finish the job properly by cleaning up and decontaminating the site.  We have  previously asked VicWide Demolition to produce an asbestos clearance certificate, but they have not provided one as yet.

After reading a few blogs, it seems finding asbestos residual after demolition may not be that uncommon – from Cam & Kirsten’s Blog:

The other issue that we have been dealing with this week was post-demolition asbestos residue. All homes built about the time our original old house was, have asbestos in one form or another. We had asbestos removal done prior to demolition but some more residue was spotted along the fence boundaries by out site supervisor last week and we needed that cleaned up before Metricon will send anyone to site start, and that’s fair enough. Jim the demolisher was onto it quickly and to cut a long story short, we have had another site clean and Metricon is now in possession of another independent asbestos clearance certificate.

We are waiting for Metricon to provide more specific details about what they found.  Our next task is to get an asbestos removalist to decontaminate the site and provide an asbestos clearance certificate.  Hopefully, we will get this resolved quickly.

C&K

The original house

Here are some pictures of the original house which is now demolished.  It is a single level dwelling with 2 bedrooms, living, family, dining and kitchen.  In recent years, there was an additional bathroom added on.  There is also a bungalow out the back and a large pool which over the years has entertained not just the home owners but half the neighborhood too.  The land size is 708sqm.

Being built in the 1950’s there is some asbestos in the eaves and ceiling areas which the demolisher are aware of and have had to factor into the demolition process.

C&K

Demolition Day 6 – we have a block of land

Today was the last full day of demolition work our property. The demolisher has done a good job. They have scraped the land so that it gently slopes up and the drop where the garage was is now filled in.

Now that the block is cleared and the land scarped we now realise how big our block is!!! There’s a few trees remaining on the boundary to one of our neighbours which they will remove tomorrow morning. And then that’s it – its then over to Melissa at Metricon to let the fun begin……

C&K

View of our block of land from the front

 

View of our block of land from the rear

 

Demolition Day 5 – Big Trucks

There was little movement on the property over the past two days but today the demolition guys were back in action.

We did a drive by the property after work today and there were 2 big trucks parked out the front. We knew there would be a lot of rubbish come from the house but it’s incredible just how much has been generated.  It’s great to start being able to see the block more clearly now that the house is gone.

C&K

Demolition day 2 – house one minute gone the next

Yesterday was day 2 of demolition.  In the morning the house was still standing and by afternoon the digger made light work of flattening the house.

D-Day: The demolition has started

The temporary security fence from Australian Temporary Fencing (ATF) Services went up yesterday morning.  The fence is required whilst demolition is in progress and will need to remain until the builders get on site.  When the building construction starts, the builders will setup their own fence.  So until then I will need to supply the fence to prevent people coming onto the property although it will just be a piece of dirt.  We organised a 9 month hire as we weren’t sure when the building construction will start and Christmas is only just over 3 weeks away.  There wasn’t much of a price difference between a 6 or 9 month hire (approx $50).  However, if you went for a 6 month hire and had to extend the cost would be significantly more.

The person who installed the fence seemed to be in a hurry to get to another job.  He didn’t set up the fence correctly on the left side of the property, although we were very explicit and clear where it should go.  There are bushes and trees which need to be removed on the other side (outside) of the fence.  We will now need to make sure the demolisher doesn’t forget to removes those as well.

Today was the first day the demolisher started work.  The roof tiles were removed and most of the garage has gone.  There was some additional asbestos in the eaves which were not obvious until the roof tiles were removed.  The demolition job may take a little longer than anticipated due to the additional asbestos.

Here are some initial progress pictures

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A digger in our driveway

After work my brother in-law and I went around to the house to remove the weeping cherry tree from the property before the demolisher starts work later this week.

When we arrived, we were greeted by a large digger parked in the driveway.  The digger almost dwarfs the house.

A big thanks to my brother in-law for helping with the tree transplant (you can see him in one of the photos) and Jasper for the use of his utility to transport it.

C&K